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prcardi
Posted 2020-06-02 8:40 AM (#22087)
Subject: Hugo Award Nominee Black Genesis



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The site does not include L. Ron Hubbard's Black Genesis as a nominee for the 1987 Hugo Award. It is listed as a nominee on the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel), the official Hugo page (http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/1987-hugo-awards/) and the ISFDB page (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+1987). The ISFDB page does note that in the voting, Black Genesis was listed under "No Award," thus it is not ranked in the top five by the Hugo that year. Still, I understood the award pages here to be listing those books nominated for the award and which could have been voted on. Leaving out Black Genesis would seem to undermine that purpose..

Of course, this might not be an error at all. Perhaps you know different information or had different intentions with the catalog of nominees. I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the matter.
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Engelbrecht
Posted 2020-06-03 4:07 AM (#22091 - in reply to #22087)
Subject: RE: Hugo Award Nominee Black Genesis



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You're correct - Black Genesis is no longer listed as a nominee because, as you noted, the voting results for the book placed it below "No Award".  In other words, the voters ultimately decided that the book was unworthy of Hugo recognition.

The decision not to recognize works placing below "No Award" was driven in part by the slate voting that strongly skewed results for the award years 2015 and 2016 (You may be aware that Black Genesis was another work that had benefited from bloc voting).




Edited by Engelbrecht 2020-06-03 4:10 AM
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prcardi
Posted 2020-06-04 6:16 AM (#22098 - in reply to #22091)
Subject: RE: Hugo Award Nominee Black Genesis



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Thanks, that is helpful. That does mean that what the site is tracking, then, is no longer award nominations but some sort of top ranking.

When I look at my Awards Stats, it shows me a "W:" and an "N:", for "winners" and "nominees." If Worlds Without End takes out such books as Black Genesis, Skin Game, and The Dark Between the Stars from the list of nominees, then it does not seem that the nominees list or tabulations of nominations is either accurate or comprehensive. This might not be the place (and perhaps I'm not an active enough member) to have this discussion (feel free to move the thread), but I would suggest that accuracy and comprehensive should be two of the foremost qualities pursued in the site. There are legitimate concerns about those books and the manner in which they were nominated, but, ultimately, they were nominated for the award. The World Science Fiction Society, which manages the Hugo, still considers them nominees:

http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/1987-hugo-awards/
http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2015-hugo-awards/

I think it would be better to list then as the managing organization does and asterisk them somehow to show that they were voted below "No Award."

Thanks again for the response and information.
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mgkurilla
Posted 2020-06-08 6:20 AM (#22115 - in reply to #22098)
Subject: RE: Hugo Award Nominee Black Genesis



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Not sure that this is much of an issue, but I'd prefer to see nominees listed as the time of their selection of a nominee, rather than assessed after the final voting. Simply because 'no award' placed higher in the final balloting doesn't seem to diminish their initial selection in the nomination process.
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